Comments for post What we lost (now that web programming is mainstream)

Navigatore Anonimo writes:
MrT writes: A C/fortran90/python programmer who has only recently started web programming (I appreciate I am therefore in no position to say too much)... I think that to say web programming is dull is proabably not fair - but to say web programming of sites and pages is dull IS fair. I'm sure that there is plenty I can do with these languages but I like programming - not designing
james writes: good one read out.
sed writes: seems like, the 'higher' the level, the easier it is to break. and the more time is required building, debugging, rebuilding, 'improving', etc., etc. timekill.
Andrew writes: I could handle the dull if it wasn't so hard and dull ! I use Java for a large coporation and you need pages and pages of it and XML just to do the simplest of things. Years ago we would have used a 4GL to write a client/server app that would be dull but at least dull and easy. I've tried Ruby and it's easier but it's a script language which means that it'll never be taken seriously. What we need is a killer Scheme framework like Rails and then we'd all be happy again.
Virtual Ass(istant) 16 writes: really? but surely you have to compromise yourself with what's in the mainstream and earn!!!! :)
Fred writes: The hardest part of web programming is the broken tool set. And the organizational obstacles to improving the tool set. Standards at both ends of the wire mean that you can't innovate in isolation. OS vendors are held back by legacy apps, but can innovate UI's and some API's. Web development is held back by a different configuration of obstacles. Legacy protocols and standards. Writing apps on a standalone OS is the environment with the best support (debuggers, languages, IDE's). Lower down are embedded systems (no run time support, less hardware) and web programming. HTML and CSS are stretched beyond their limits. CSS is particularly obsolete and buggy. Network delays dominate all designs.
joeblow writes: the thing is, you keep so busy just maintaining what you've got it's hard to stop and actually innovate
andoy writes: this is the same as saying vb was inferior to c, c++, etc. or , that vb developers are not real programmers, etc.
thom writes: Last month my brother-in-law told me "There's a lot of php work out there. You don't even have to think to do it..." That's what I miss, and that's what's wrong with the computer biz today.
Jean Luc writes: @Ziggy, I agree with the point but the analogy isn't perfect. The difference there is that C and OOP programmers could do nearly exactly what the ASM guys were doing before. You can do just about anything in C, from writing an OS, a game to run on it, a video driver to show the game and plug into the OS, and any other service or application, such as a web server or word processor. With PHP you can, well, cobble together a certain class of applications--usually database backed web apps, with a RESTful modality. Sure, you can layer on attempts at MVC or add some appearance of being dynamic with AJAX, but it's still running on the same request/response substrate.
martin writes: "how does writing 'limone' prove i'm human? i assume this is a joke." hahahahaa this made my day :) i should code a bot that asks questions like these too
some one writes: how does writing 'limone' prove i'm human? i assume this is a joke.
smalltalk writes: I wish we hadn't lost smalltalk along the way. Most of the "innovations" nowadays are echoes from a forgotten past.
Remote writes: cunt, i write algoritms and data processes in php
krautpastry writes: You know, I am looking a this from a completely different angle. I started out on web apps and now find them boring and am starting to look 'under the hood' into the really complex stuff (open source is great for this). I can understand you lament, because there is some really cool stuff going on when you get away from you 15,000th data class.
Ziggy writes: I seem to remember asm coders making similar complaints about C and OOP after that.
Jeff writes: interesting read. I do feel that web programming is in a way "less complex." hopefully, platforms will become more advance.
antirez writes: @Gene: sorry but the url appeared to be a way to promote your product. You can get in touch with my writing an email at antirez at gmail --dot-- com if you like,
Gene Mosher writes: On my home page there is my Skype contact information. Would you get in touch, please?
notyou writes: so true, it almost made me cry :''( not that i do web apps, i do c++ for a company that owns its own proprietary data crunching app it would suck to only do web stuff hahahhahaah
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